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? >> this will be difficult. there is good transparency in normal wiretapping, but when it comes to the nsa, a very secretive organization, this is going to be a more difficult balance to bring some transparency to that secretive world. was the reason these programs go ahead with the national security argument. -- iffense is that it it you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide. >> that has been the assumption but he did say that he assumed that the normal checks and balances were enough, but now he is not so sure about that. inen the nature of secrecy the nsa it is hard to assure that their the -- that these normal checks and balances are in place to protect the american people against unwarranted surveillance. >> you don't sound particularly reassured. >> what he said is correct. he will put the effort into opening this to a panel of experts. to review the checks and balances. beyond that we are not sure if this is going to be enough. >> thank you for joining us. the u.s. and russian affairs chief -- have been meeting despite relations being the lowest and sometime, on matters ranging from syria
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